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LONDON GOLD LABELS 8200-8420

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GOLD LABEL PRINT COPIES OF 8260-8420 ARE NOT ALWAYS THE FIRST PRESSING!

Some exist as Gold only, some are Silver only. Some Golds are actally LATER PRESSINGS after the Silver was used initially! RC & other books make errors or are incomplete in both Gold & Tri info, so beware! RC may state some Golds exist, ie 8317, but the Gold, if existing would be an early 1957 press as found with 8280, the Silver was the one it sold on as it charted. To be precise the Gold of 8280 issued 6 months AFTER the Silver is technically a reissue, if an earlier design type used! Only seeing the record or a photo is proof. See below for our work-in-progress chart of 8200-8420 as Gold or Silver and earlier ones on the Thick Tri page.

8262-8264 to 8399 exist as Gold or Silver randomly

with the bias for the first press surprisingly being SILVER print not GOLD. Some were silver only on the earlier pressings but in early 1957 Gold labels were used for a few later pressings explaining their rarity & later Buckingham codes. Similar is found with the last Tris, read elsewhere. The 3 Little Richards below are a good example. Note Specialty is incorrectly spelt with 2 'I's on the Golds, but not on the Silvers or the 78s! Also the matrix number is MSC on the silver, but MSCF on the Gold and it's in brackets.

The VRC 1986 book must be used carefully as there is some license used as it's not in colour. Their Roy Brown 8398 is actually a Silver, as is the Clyde Mc Phatter 8293 (both exist as Gold), the Golds look like the Little Richard Golds below, ie small one-line catalog number. The Commodores 8251 has since been confirmed as a Gold.


Silver 1st pressings started 8262-8264

exact number to be confirmed still, in April 1956. At the same time Brunswick, who were pressed by Decca as were London, changed from Weak Gold on dull paper to Silver. Brunswick was Strong Gold on semi gloss paper until February 1956 and Golds are not seen after this April 1956 date, unlike London. This explains with London having some from this era as Silver only as the chart shows.

The thing here is knowing the label design to look for on Silvers & prove this fact true by comparing Gold issues of the same release by comparing the Buckingham code. Squinting at matrix numbers & other codes (at 9 o'clock to the matrix number) is pointless as you, well, have to squint. Here the Silver labels jump out at you. Writing this article was an education after having the LR 'Rip it up' 45s on Gold & Silver to wonder about.

Tiny variations appear consistent: on the 3 Little Richards on the Golds page, the LITTLE RICHARD is in the same font. but the and his Band line is
and his Band on the Golds but and His Band on the Silvers, for whimsical sorts, 'His' with a Capital 'H' implying it's God's band!
These copies of 8336, 8366 & 8382 as pictured: the Silver with the big text print has earlier Buckingham codes and is the first pressing.

Some Golds & Silvers are Very Rare!
Despite Gold & Silver being at random from 8262 to 8405 some that are often found on Gold are genuinely very rare on Silver
as well as some found mostly on Silver are very rare on Gold! Fats Domino 8280 is always found on silver with the large cat no but a tiny amount were pressed later on Gold. Lavern Baker 8396 is usually on Silver but a no-centre Gold has been found. Dave Barry & SB 8324 is known as Gold only & appears to have sold moderately, but we've found a Silver with large cat no & the Buckingham codes are "C+C". Slim Whitman 8420 is the last Gold together with 8405 Dell Vikings which both sold well and Golds are not so hard to find of either. 8406 Russell Arms is both Gold & Silver despite not selling. The first two Little Richard are common on Gold but the early Silvers are much rarer especially 8366, but these must have the large cat no as they were later repressed after the Gold era. 8324 is listed in RC as Gold £60 Silver £50 but we only note them when we see them ourselves. The Silver being at least 10x rarer than the Gold & both original pressings within weeks means the Silver should be the more expensive one.

Outdated! GOLD Prices vs. SILVER Prices
For too long, Record Collector & it's small band of not-very experts has set prices on 1950s vinyl, but we are seeing a definite turn against all this outdated Book stands for. Some prices are ridiculously high, compare USA Doowop prices of 1990 to now, one Swallows one we have is rated $2000 but sells for about $400 nowadays. Buyers still want these records but at modern prices. It Ain't What You Used To Be: It's What You Are Today. Rings true for any collectable as well as Humans with ego issues! Take a Classic R&B Track. 8293 Clyde Mc Phatter 'Treasure Of Love'. One of the very first Gold Londons we got, ugly looking faded label sans a middle or one badly glued in is usually the case on the 1956-57 Golds, though the pre 1956 ones usually still look nice. Having just got a Silver print one, a very hard one to find as the Golds are around, the Silver to us at least has an added Mystique. Buckingham codes are "B+C". It has the same label as the one in our Gallery, ie Large Catalog number & large upside down matrix. Since got a Gold one & it has "B+B" codes which is identical to the Silver if the Silver has a "C" for the B side. Therefore to say both were pressed at the same time or within a few weeks for the "C" is fair. But the "C" copy could be Earlier if the "B" one was damaged & only the Golds saw the "B" B side. All a bit pointless perhaps as it's a bit guessing. The Silver is harder to find though. The single charted 24 Aug 1956 no 27 for 1 week. It was released in Jun 1956 & in those days it took some time for sales to build & is surprisingly the only Atlantic R&B track to chart
, no Chuck Willis charted, no Ruth Brown, Ivory Joe Hunter or Lavern Baker even. Chess got three Chuck Berry 45s in the chart in the 1950s though Johnny B Goode isn't in the Guinness type book it is in another chart book. So the 2010 RC book puts the commoner Gold at £165 & the rarer early Silver at £80, there is no 1957 small catalog number silver press. Still hanging onto Old Fashioned ideas by thinking only Gold is the First. On Treasure Of Love we have a "B" code so the Silver is the early press. Find a Gold & it too may have a "B". They were likely pressed together with varying label stocks. We've never seen a Mule of London Gold one side, Silver the other, though later Silver we found Mules of style. The only Gold-Silver Mule we've seen is Johnny Duncan 'Train' on Columbia. To us, the 8293 Silver by the amount we've seen is the Rarer Item. It is more attractive to us than the Gold item with it's bold print. We've seen Little Richard earliest big catalog number Silvers sell better than Golds so buyers are realising. Some may still have old ideas & prefer the Gold. To us the Gold & early big cat number Silver should be at least The Same Value with some of each type being much rarer, ie 8280 Fats Domino common on early Silver, one known Gold one that was likely a 1957 repress. Time to re-evaluate these Gold & Silver Londons. You have our Gallery to see what exists now, the first effort by anyone to find what exists. Take it, it's yours to refer to as we want to further the 1950s scene as we do still find 1950s UK vinyl very interesting we keep searching out more facts.


SILVER PRINT:

The way to tell the very earliest press of any London on Silver from 8260-8389 is with the Matrix Number (on the label) in Big Text & the Catalog Number in Bold Type on 2 lines, see the photos below, and then Check the BUCKINGHAM codes, eg a 'B' code, the first letter of Decca's code word at 3'o clock to the matrix being at 6 o'clock position. We have since seen 8384 & 8389 as Silver with the Large text.

Some from the 8260-8420 exist as silver only, such as Carl Perkins top 10 hit 'Blue Suede Shoes'. All 45s we've seen of 8271 from March 1956 have silver text, big catalog number, big matrix number & Sun over the title-artist. There is no Gold later repress. See Chuck Berry 8375 on silver with the big text with a 'B' means it was pressed BEFORE the Gold one and looks better than the usually faded Gold and is much cheaper! We know what we'd prefer.


8381, 8382, 8384 & 8389 have been confirmed as Silver with Big Catalog Number/Big Matrix Number, see the photos below. 8386, 8387 & 8388 all only seen so far as the smaller number/matrix type, but the London book says they were issued a bit later in April 1957, not March as the numbers suggest. This can mean 8383-8385 and possibly even 8390-8397 exist as big catalog/matrix numbers! 8398 you can find several copies of to compare & we've had 8399 with a 'B+B' so it only exists as Silver with the smaller numbers. The big matrix number
on the label by itself carried on until at least 8396, only a month longer. Since found a one-off much later 8592 with the big matrix too.

The Gold of 8382 (March 1957) reportedly has a 'B+B' code with 2C on TGCHI, the same as the early silver. We have found 2 copies of 8382 as a big text silver, yet one has the TGCHI matrix ending in 2C has 'B+B' and another has 3C & also 'B+B'. Both SGI sides are 1C but the 3C copy has 'B' is stamped differently with an 'H' under it. Now that's confusing! It shows that matrix stamper numbers are full of errors, contradictions, omissions & unless taken amid a sample, pretty pointless! Oh!

If you find a pre 8399 with Silver print but the smallest catalog number (all HLx 8xxx on one line), looking exactly as the Gold but in Silver, then this is a repress after April 1957. Good sellers like Slim Whitman & Little Richard can be found like this. You'll also find them with the small catalog number like you'll see on the London Silver 8399-8625 page from the same era.

As a general rule, if it exists on both Gold and Silver (with the big text) the SILVER is usually the RARER one! Exceptions found so far are 8280 (the gold was pressed much later), and 8317 Jim Lowe. More will likely be added here as research is ongoing. Little Richard 1st 2 are COMMON on the Gold, the 1st Silver of 8366 is a real rare one


GOLD PRINT:

As the above 'Silver' section states, some of the Gold Londons 8262-8398 were pressed FIRST on Silver Print! Are Golds really worth the extra money in light of this info only to find most Golds post 8200 are weak & faded?

Some better selling titles pre 8154 have the USA label details repressed with this info in larger print, but still over the title. Similarly some represses of pre 8279 (Gold or Silver) have the US label to the left of the label instead, so 8172 with DOT to the left is a post May 1956 pressing of a Sep 1955 release. Not that this fact is much known either. So the 8253 silver we show with big text can't be earlier than May 1956 press of a Mar 1956 issue. Some early 45 do not show any USA label until 8079, though 8115-8118, 8137, 8139 (USA London), 8143, 8145, 8147, 8148, 8176, 8211-8213, 8235, 8267 (UK Decca), 8272, 8314, 8321, 8341 omit the USA label. 8134 shows 'Dot' to the left, but as there was so much text on the label, rather than the May 1956 style. 8193 shows the wrong USA label, it should be Cadence unlike 8192 a version of the same song. The Gold Little Richards always misprint 'Specialty' as 'Speciality' as do the early silver represses from Apr 1957 using Silver print but the same design as the Gold (ie small cat no). These small catalog number Gold style silvers 1957-58 are always printed on white paper, unlike the other style which is on dark grey.

The Gold may still be more valuable based on the early collectors in the 1970s blindly considering ALL the silver to be repressings WHICH THEY AREN'T as we'll clearly explain here. Read some of the early RC mags from 1979-81 & there is much naiveness, eg "nobody knows why..." sort of articles. 8278 (May 1956) exists on Gold & uses the smaller catalog number type label & still with the US Label over the title, making it a 1956 press for sure. Some records are Gold print only and this article should not leave you now thinking ALL Gold post 8262-8264 are 2nd presses, though many actually are. The Gold print is copper and like coins, it goes brown if touched or if kept in acidic paper, or green if wet, and before the Gold print gets 'finalised' by metal-related aging things beyond a record site. Many EP covers browned the Gold, often found on Brunswick EPs. It also explains why you find 300 year old copper coins still with lustre.


Golds seem to have been revived
just in very early 1957 from what turns up, after having been mostly abandoned in April 1956. Better selling records will have got repressed, in the case of 8280 only the Silver exists until the March 1957 Gold issue, by which the majority of it's sales had been made.

Golds with small text
started around Aug 1955 with approx the 8170s. The Golds ended with 8405 & 8420 in April 1957. Any Silver before 8389 (except 8386-88, see above) with smaller text on the catalog number & matrix number on the label is a post April 1957 press, as this is when the Silvers started using that style.

The large cat number-large matrix appears to start on only a few Golds between 8236 + 8240 as 8240 is this type, as is 8239, 8242, 8262, but 8261 is again the small text. These 'weak' Golds with large cat number-large matrix appear to coincide with Brunswick ending their semi-glossy labels. Similar late Brunswick Golds are the same weak Gold, the most found one is Bill Haley 'Alligator'. 8240 Julie London (Feb 1956) was a UK chart hit a year later due to being in a film, so mostly found on a later Silver label as the record was a hit in the UK in April 1957, no 22 for 3 weeks. The Brunswick label lost those semi-glossy labels between issues 05515 and 05530 also in Feb 1956 and were replaced with the weak Golds until Brunswick went to silver also. Some Brunswick exist as the matt paper Gold too after 05530, ie 05531 Roy Hall and 05538 Don Cherry, but much Brunswick is very rare as non-selling straight pop so hard to know more.

8256 Gold on TWO label types!
Uniquely this exists as Gold large catalogue number & Smaller cat no, clearly large the 1956 1st & smaller possibly the later repress from early 1957. Unique!


Usually the Gold "repressings" were made...
if the record sold enough to warrant another press, maybe after selling 500 copies. Some First-press Gold which sold steadily were repressed on silver WITHOUT the big cat number-matrix after April 1957, but that is beyond what we cover here. As an example the 8382 Little Richard, most silver are later 1957 pressings with smaller matrix/cat number text on the label as evidenced by 'BK' or similar as a later Buckingham code.

It appears all the Gold "repressings" of the numbers this article covers have the smaller number-matrix text whereas the first Silvers have big cat number-matrix printed text. Earlier numbers will have been repressed in varying styles & some like 8004 were steady sellers for many months, ie 8004 is very rare on Thick Tri, turns up more as thin Gold tri, with either the publisher logo like the thick tri or the later wording. No doubt the Slim Whitman early 45s exist in many variations, with some turning up as 1961 round pressings you could have basically 3 Gold, 2 Silver, 1 silver top all as Tri & then the round.


To conclude this section, Buckingham (or on EMI product the JR/GRAMOPHLTD) codes ARE the best way to age a record, ie early & find label types etc, but used TOGETHER with the LABEL style it proves GOLD isn't the first always & neither is SILVER always the second! Of course some minor facts here could be proved wrong by records that contradict them. If you can prove something worthwhile, let us know!

Unissued 1956 1 sided Demos
This is a real mysterious area to be going into. We had Lew William's "Cat Talk" on a one sided demo as pictured on the Thick Tri page. The sound was top quality, direct from the master tape unlike the muffly USA 45. The London book lists others of an R&B nature, Muddy Waters ones are known to exist, all from 1956
. A later Everlys one & a 1956 pop one is in the RC book too. There will have been countless others, go dig up the landfill in London they all went into! These R&B titles would now be extreme rarities as sales would have been ultra low. Even Little Richard has an unissued one, the original B side of Tutti Frutti 'Lonely Guy' we saw on ebay & missed it. There will be a one side demo of the first USA version of George Hamilton IV. Some tracks did turn up on EPs so there may be the 1956 R&B EP tracks out there on unissued demo. The one side demos of Chuck Berry's "Roll Over Beethoven" exist as 1956 demos, if not issued until 1957, the solid centre widely spaced type style of a 1956 demo is what they look like. Only collectors liberating these unknown & undocumented records will reveal them. For the creating interest out of it, if London & the MSC code have a gap in the numbering, it means they may have cut a 45 demo at least of the "missing" number & a demo record will have therefore existed. As with any label using a numbering system, there will have been planned ones given the number, many will have been mastered & pressed on Demo, but there will be abandoned ones as with the 1959 unissued ones that were assigned but not made. Only getting Decca paperwork long since gone would every MSC number be revealed. What did we miss out on? Certain R&B tracks that London should have issued, one huge omission is the Pastels "Been So Long", why London didn't issue this Chess hit is a mystery. Look at the Australian releases, it got issued on Philips over there & their London catalog has several tracks UK passed on.



LONDON LISTING 8200-8420

8200 Maxine & Jim Ed Brown G   8310 Ruth Brown S
8201 Mariners G   8311 Gale Storm S
8202 Sunnysiders G   8312 Smiley Lewis S
8203 Johnny Maddox G   8313 Cadets G, S
8204 Bill Darnel .   8314 Clovers S
8205 Billy Vaughn # G   8315 Andy Williams G, S
8206 Duke and Duchess G   8316 Pat Boone G, S
8207 Coney Island Kids .   8317 Jim Lowe # G, S
8208 Hilltoppers G   8318 Fontane Sisters G, S
8209 Commodores G   8319 Billy Vaughn G, S
8210 Ruth Brown G   8320 Sanford Clark G, S
8211 Fontane Sisters G   8321 Patience and Prudence # G, S
8212 De Castro Sisters G   8322 Mel Torme S
8213 Ken Carson G   8323 Chordettes G, S
8214 Roger Williams G   8324 Dave Barry + S Berner *new found Silver! G, S
8215 Ferko String Band G   8325 Bill Hayes S
8216 Tom Tall G   8326 Betty Johnson S
8217 Chordettes .   8327 Slim Whitman G, S
8218 Dinning Sisters G   8328 Judy Kileen G, S
8219 Tommy Davidson G   8329 Gale Storm S
8220 Bill Hayes # G   8330 Fats Domino # G, S
8221 Hilltoppers # G, S re   8331 Mack Sisters S
8222 Gale Storm G   8332 Joe Turner S
8223 Snooky Lanson G   8333 Hilltoppers S
8224 Four Esquires G   8334 Clovers S
8225 Fontane Sisters G   8335 Lonnie Coleman S
8226 Mac Wiseman G   8336 Little Richard # G, S
8227 Eydie Gorme G   8337 Smiley Lewis S
8228 De Castro Sisters G   8338 Nervous Norvus G, S
8229 Clovers G   8339 Faye Adams G
8230 Slim Whitman # G   8340 Vince Martin # G, S
8231 Tom Tall G   8341 Roger Williams G
8232 Gale Storm G   8342 Billy Vaughn S
8233 Pat Boone G   8343 Fontane Sisters S
8234 Bill Darnel .   8344 Drifters S
8235 Beasley Smith G   8345 Six Teens S
8236 Snooky Lanson G   8346 Pat Boone # G, S
8237 Ken Carson .   8347 Johnny Maddox G
8238 Billy Vaughn # G   8348 Dick Lory S
8239 Bill Hayes G   8349 Werly Fairburn S
8240 Julie London # [S on 2nd] G   8350 Slim Whitman G, S
8241 Eddie Albert G   8351 Jim Reeves S
8242 Alfi and Harry # G   8352 Rosanne June S
8243 Archie/Janet Bleyer G   8353 Julius La Rosa G
8244 Jackie Riggs G   8354 Pearl Bailey G
8245 Simon Bolivar G   8355 Muzzy Marcelino/Mr Ford G
8246 Sunnysiders G   8356 Fats Domino # G, S
8247 Bobby Charles G   8357 Joe Turner G
8248 Barry Sisters .   8358 Johnny Cash G, S
8249 Snooky Lanson G   8359 David Seville G, S
8250 Clyde Mc Phatter G   8360 Andy Williams G, S
8251 Commodores G   8361 George Hamilton IV G, S
8252 Slim Whitman # G   8362 Sonny Knight G, S
8253 Pat Boone # G, S   8363 Lee Tully G
8254 Bobby Scott .   8364 Gogi Grant S
8255 Hilltoppers G   8365 Betty Johnson new Gold G, S
8256 Fats Domino (2 Gold types) G, S   8366 Little Richard # G, S
8257 Gogi Grant G   8367 Smiley Lewis G, S
8258 Bill Krenz G   8368 Jim Lowe G, S
8259 Mac Wiseman G   8369 Patience and Prudence # G, S
8260 LaVern Baker G   8370 Pat Boone # S
8261 Ivory Joe Hunter G   8371 Bill Haley # G, S
8262 Bon Bons .   8372 Ivy Schulman S
8263 Archie Bleyer .   8373 Flamingos G
8264 Chordettes S   8374 Moonglows G
8265 Fontane Sisters S   8375 Chuck Berry G, S
8266 Lois Winters S   8376 Four Esquires (unissued) -
8267 Bill Darnel S   8377 Fats Domino # G, S 2 type
8268 Kay Thompson (Apr 56) S   8378 Fontane Sisters G, S
8269 Larry Evans S   8379 Roger Williams S [got later]
8270 Jimmy Work S   8380 Tab Hunter # G, S
8271 Carl Perkins # S   8381 Hilltoppers # G, S
8272 Julius La Rosa G   8382 Little Richard # G, S
8273 Beasley Smith G   8383 Nervous Norvus G, S
8274 Cathy Carr S   8384 Nappy Brown G, S
8275 Chuck Berry S   8385 Dom Frontiere G
8276 Jim Lowe S   8386 Eddie Cochran (sm cat, 3 credits) S
8277 Johnny Maddox S   8387 Nino Tempo (smaller cat no only) S
8278 Hilltoppers G   8388 Johnny Olenn (smaller cat no only) S
8279 Julie London G   8389 Clarence Henry G, S
8280 Fats Domino # G, S   8390 Rod Mc Kuen G
8281 Marc Fredericks G   8391 Barons G
8282 Gogi Grant # S   8392 Merle Kilgore G
8283 Gale Storm S   8393 Gale Storm G, S
8284 Andy Williams S   8394 Julie London G, S
8285 Al Caiola S   8395 Jane Morgan S
8286 Gale Storm S   8396 LaVern Baker *new found Gold! G, S
8287 Slim Whitman # silver found G, S   8397 Harvey Boys S
8288 Jim Lowe G   8398 Roy Brown G, S
8289 Fontane Sisters G, S   8399 Andy Williams # S
8290 Willows S   8400 Molly Bee S
8291 Pat Boone # G, S   8401 Ruth Brown S
8292 Bill Darnel G   8402 Shirley Forwood S
8293 Clyde Mc Phatter # G, S   8403 Slim Whitman # G, S
8294 Myrna Lorrie gold found G   8404 Pat Boone # S
8295 Dick Noel S   8405 Dell-Vikings G, S 2 type
8296 De Castro Sisters S   8406 Russell Arms G, S
8297 Willie Dixon S   8407 Fats Domino # S 2 type
8298 Hilltoppers # G, S   8408 Carl Perkins S 2 type
8299 Bob Carroll G   8409 Ernie Chaffin S
8300 Bill Hayes S   8410 Tab Hunter # S 2 type
8301 Joe Turner S   8411 David Seville S
8302 Chordettes # G, S   8412 Mac Wiseman S
8303 Pat Boone # G, S   8413 Gale Storm S
8304 Barry Sisters S   8414 Julie London S
8305 Mel Torme G, S   8415 Fontane Sisters S
8306 Marion Marlowe Withdrawn .   8416 Slim Whitman S
8307 Betty Johnson S   8417 Billy Vaughn S
8308 Jimmy Work S   8418 Tommy Furtado S
8309 Fats Domino G, S   8419 Lou Stein S
        8420 Slim Whitman G, S
             
7001 Jerry Fielding .   7011 Chordettes S
7002 Jerry Fielding .   7012 Pat Boone S
7003 Jerry Fielding .   7013 Andy Williams S
7004 Jerry Fielding .   7014 Sanford Clark .
7005 Snooky Lanson .   7015 Pat Boone .
7006 Clyde Mc Phatter G   7016 Sonny Knight S
7007 Pat Boone G   7017 Patience & Prudence S
7008 Gale Storm G, S   7018 Russell Arms .
7009 Fontane Sisters G   7019 Pat Boone S
7010 Pat Boone S   7020 Johnny Cash S